Talk:Surro-Gate/GA1

GA review

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Nominator: Oddballeditor1997 (talk · contribs) 16:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk · contribs) 06:23, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I am going to be reviewing this article :) This was really interesting to read and I look forward to it hopefully becoming a GA.

I am going to do a full review, but first I wanted to just note that I think the article is lacking sources. Most of the "Cultural references" are unsourced, as is the second paragraph of "Production" and the opening sentence of that section "Surro-Gate" lampoons in vitro fertilisation and homophobia, with the latter being done mainly through Stan". This needs to sourced before it can get to GA. Additionally, I think that there needs to be a bit information to get it to GA. Would you be able to add more sources and expand the article and source the unsourced statements? I will put this on pause and then do a full review when this has been done :) Please let me know if you need any assistance or have any questions! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I just first wanted to say thanks for taking the time to look over the article. I just wanted to let you know that I went back and expanded the article, adding a themes section where I moved and reworded the lampoon sentence you asked me to source. I believe it is better suited there and doesn’t need sourcing, as I took inspiration for the sentence from Hell is Other Robots and there is no sourcing for the sentence there. I will go ahead and fix everything else you mentioned sometime this week. Oddballeditor1997 (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, again! I believe everything you’ve asked me to fix is now finished (added 4 more sources, expanded the article with a new section and new sourced production info, sourced everything you asked me to (minus certain cultural reference points that don’t require sourcing, since I’ve used some other good articles as references and they don’t source ones that don’t need it)). Thanks again! Oddballeditor1997 (talk) 20:22, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, well done for the expansion - this has helped the article! However, I am not sure about the cultural references. The only GA I have seen which has unsourced cultural references is I Am the Walrus (American Dad!), and I looked through the history and when it was promoted to GA the entire paragraph was sourced. If you cannot source them, I would recommend just taking the sourced sentences and putting them in the production section (e.g. "The episode has several cultural references, such as..."). Additionally, I have found the following issues:

1.) Please replace the website of Source #12 with DVD Talk Done

2.) "Despite airing as a part of the show's fourth season, it was actually produced as the seventh episode of its third season, hence bearing the production code 3AJN07." is unsourced. Done (removed sentence, as it was clutter anyway)

3.) "even if he still chooses to resort to his homophobic ways in the second act of the episode, a choice that is reverted by the episode's end" is unsourced and does not sound very formal. Done (reworded and sourced)

4.) Please replace the website of Source #8 with The Futon Critic Done

5.) Please replace the website of Source #4 with WhatCulture Done

6.) Sources 10 and 11 need their actual website in the wesbite parameter, not the web archive. Done

7.) I do not think the article will be able to have two screenshots freely, especially as the second screenshot does not support a sourced sentence. Hence, I would recommend putting the first screenshot in the infobox and removing the second screenshot. Done (the second screenshot is gone, and I have moved the first into the infobox)

8.) "His inability to accept his neighbors decision to have a baby is also mocked through his knowledge, or lack there of, when it comes to the topic. The gag revolving around Stan's assumption that in vitro fertilization is a fictionalized topic originating from Star Trek is used as a vessel for his ignorant behavior. The episode's conclusion of Stan finally accepting their decision, and homosexual people as a whole, shows his growth to act more liberal towards the subject." - I checked the source and it does not support these claims and it makes it sound like [WP:OR|original research/analysis]] not supported by the source. I have not checked the other sources yet but I would strongly recommend checking them and seeing if what you wrote is what is written in the sources. Done (I reworded the sentence to include more information from the sources rather than from the episode itself, and so it now should be good. If you still believe that it isn’t completely sourced properly, then I can attempt to change it again, but I think it’s good now)

9.) "Genevieve Koski of The A.V. Club gave it a negative review, calling it "predictable" and mentioning that she preferred family-centered episodes such as "Meter Made" and "The Vacation Goo" to episodes that satirized politics" - This needs a ref at the end of the sentence as all sentences with quotes need references. Done

10.) I would merge some of the sentences in the reception section so that it is in a paragraph or two. Done

11.) "During a montage, people are seen reading the real life book Everybody Poops" - This is one of the biggest issues in the "Cultural references" section as there is no evidence that the book that is featured in the show is the same as real life book. Done (as mentioned, I took the cultural references and added the sourced ones to production as you asked, so this issue no longer applies)

12.) "Greg notes that one of the surrogate candidates lists Erin Brockovich as their favorite film." - The link should be Erin Brockovich (film), but to be honest I am not even sure if it should be included as it is not really relevant to the plot and is not mentioned in sources. Done (I believe it should be kept, as I used Bart's Comet as a reference and that article has non-plot related references there, and also doesn’t cite them (as a character simply saying something is not something that requires a source)).

- I have looked at Bart's Comet and I saw that the GA version that was reviewed ([1]) had everything sourced - the unsourced bit was added by others. If using other GAs as templates, I would recommend using the version where they were approved as GA rather than their most recent version. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh, I apologize for not checking and just blindly spewing out false information. I think I will take the cultural references and add the sourced bit of information to production. Thanks again :) Oddballeditor1997 (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13.) The cultural references bit should be prose, not bullet points - whether it is kept as its own sourced section or written as a sentence or two in the production. Done (as mentioned, I took the cultural references and added the sourced ones to production as you asked, and I put it in the prose format there)

I am going to put this review on pause so you can hopefully address the points above. Please let me know if you need any help or have any questions :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:48, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, again! I believe I’ve addressed all issues above, and if there is still any problems please let me know :)

Thanks again! Oddballeditor1997 (talk) 12:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thank you so much for addressing all of the points - this has improved the article and gotten rid of original research and helped it have a NPOV. However, for #6, I think you got mistaken - I meant that the source needs the link/name of the wesbite where it is originally from, not the Web Archive link.

Overall this article looks good and close to GA status. However, as a large part of the production is commentary from the DVD, I am not sure if it is in-depth enough, so I am going to seek a second opinion, as I would hate to pass it and then it get GARed. Well done on the work so far though, you should be proud! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:26, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! There is no other information available on the episode’s production, and I’ve noticed most animated tv series use just dvd commentary for production facts. I understand your concern though. If you want, I can go through the commentary again to try to find more facts. Oddballeditor1997 (talk) 17:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]