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Flooding near Hunt, Texas
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July 10

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July 10, 2025 (2025-07-10) (Thursday)

July 9

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July 9, 2025 (2025-07-09) (Wednesday)

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RD: Humaira Asghar

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Article: Humaira Asghar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani and model found dead in her Karachi apartment on 8 July 2025; her decomposed body was recovered during a court-ordered eviction. The death received significant coverage in Pakistani, Indian, and international media. Veritasphere (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose; body looks well-cited at a glance, but the filmography table still needs more sources. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The filmography entries are indeed supported by citations already present in the main body of the article, particularly in the Career section. If needed, I can duplicate the relevant references directly into the table for clarity. Veritasphere (talk) 17:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 8

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July 8, 2025 (2025-07-08) (Tuesday)

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2025 Guatemala earthquakes

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Article: 2025 Guatemala earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of earthquakes strike Guatemala, causing at least nine deaths and widespread damage in the country. (Post)
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 ArionStar (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose, mainly on the fatality number. I acknowledge that at least one town sustained large amounts of damage, but in terms of human impact I don’t see huge significance. I can only remember one earthquake we’ve posted and there were well over 1,000 deaths associated with it. If someone could put together a list of earthquakes we’ve posted in the past few years, that’d be great. EF5 20:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 2024 Hualien earthquake (with 19 deaths) was posted. ArionStar (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Looking at that nomination and response to it, I see two things that were a talking point:

1. It happened in a heavily populated area.
2. “Hundreds” were missing at the time of the earthquake, although it was later found that 19 died.

Point number 1 applies here; a town with a population of 20,000+ suffered damage. I’m hesitant to support due to point 2, however, because clearly hundreds didn’t lose their lives in that quake despite the missing number. As with the floods, if the death toll rises above 30, ping me and I’ll support. EF5 21:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An additional counterpoint is that Hualien caused 1000+ injuries. Perhaps the earthquake in Guatemala will rise to this level of impact, but right now the article says < 50 are dead or injured. Natg 19 (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5: Looks like 108 different earthquakes have been posted to ITN. Left guide (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s a lot more than I thought. EF5 21:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From a quick analysis, looks like we generally do not post "smaller-scale" earthquakes. The last few posted ones have been Mw 7.0 or higher, though some of these have lower casualty numbers (< 20 deaths). Smaller earthquakes (on the Mw scale) that we have posted have a high number of casualties (500+ dead and injured). Natg 19 (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barring any significant rise in the death toll, the small numbers of deaths and injured in addition to the weaker strength of this doesn't seem to make it a significant ITN story. As discussed above, we generally post quakes with large death tolls and/or very high quake magnitudes (7 or more). Masem (t) 00:29, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ICC Arrest Warrants for Taliban Leaders

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Article: Hibatullah Akhundzada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Taliban leaders Hibatullah Akhundzada and Abdul Hakim Haqqani over their alleged persecution of women in Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court, in its investigation in Afghanistan, issues arrest warrants for Taliban leaders Hibatullah Akhundzada and Abdul Hakim Haqqani over their alleged persecution of women.
News source(s): Reuters New York Times
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Nominator's comments: ICC notably issues an arrest warrant for a de facto sitting head of state. Similar blurbs for Israel and for Russia previously posted. Articles appear to be updated (and if not, please offer to help out). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:38, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • The ICC is not recognised in China, India, Russia, USA and most of the Islamic countries. See map. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:46, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The ICC really did arrest Rodrigo Duterte, even though we can see on this map that The Philippines does not recognize them. I think this strengthens the argument that the ICC is not so toothless after all. Some of the opposes seem to be !voting based on the assumption that these ICC arrest warrants are purely symbolic and will never lead to anything (that's a bit CRYSTAL to me) and I think they should be reminded that Duterte's arrest was pretty recent too. You could say fairly that maybe we should just wait for an arrest and only blurb that, but I think the warrant itself is also significant enough to make a blurb.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Duterte's arrest is a great point against the arguments that the ICC does "nothing", especially since the Philippines had withdrawn in 2019 yet still cooperated. Agree that calling these arrest warrants purely "symbolic" leans WP:CRYSTAL, since the ICC has successfully brought people to trial even if difficult. What's being overlooked too is the de facto travel ban that an arrest warrant brings, with Netanyahu (many EU countries stated they'd enforce the arrest; his flights avoiding Canadian airspace) and Putin (uninvited from a major summit in South Africa) both seeing effects. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:38, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but wait for a target article per The Kip.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The issuing of an arrest warrant does not mean guilt. (My own opinion may differ, but I don't count.) HiLo48 (talk) 23:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support another world leader with an arrest warrant out on them. People going "oh well uh Netinyahu hasn't been arrested yet therefore the ICC isn't real" are delusional. Scuba 02:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm generally against posting arrests and criminal charges out of deference to the presumption of innocence. That said, I supported posting Putin based on his status as the head of one of the most important countries in the world, even though it was obvious that barring a coup there was not the slightest chance of his ever being arrested. But that was an exceptional case. Most of these warrants are little more than symbolic gestures with zero practical effect. If/when any of these warrants are actually executed, that might be worth posting. Until then, this strikes me as virtue signaling with a bit WP:RGW thrown in for flavor. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Notable subjects with referenced articles appearing prominently in the news. Personal opinions about the ICC and its effectiveness, as well as any predictions about how effective these particular warrants will be, can be deposited in the waste bin. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The coverage does not seem to have been prominent. I'm not seeing it anywhere on the front page of the NYT, for example – they have it buried in their Asia/Pacific section. Other stories such as Macron's state visit to the UK, seem much more prominent. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Why should we determine global coverage on the website of a New York City newspaper is beyond me... Howard the Duck (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The recognition of potential criminal acts by an international court for a country's head already has much weight to post. WP:CRYSTAL opinions regarding its enforcement are well just that, and even then do not affect the notability of the ICC looking into systematic violations of women's rights by the Taliban. Arguments that this is WP:RGW or mere activism are completely ridiculous. Gotitbro (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The target article is of sufficient quality for ITN and the issuing of an arrest warrant for a head of state is significant. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The target article Hibatullah Akhundzada has several issues. The English grammar of the text is weak in places. And the subject is so reclusive and secretive that the facts about them such as their date of birth and current status are uncertain and contested. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Arrest warrant of a national leader (supreme leader of a country). Period. ArionStar (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Largely symbolic warrant by an organization that is toothless across half of the world (and, conveniently, most of the countries where they seem to actually be issuing warrants). The "precedent" in question is kinda useless given there was no effects with the last sets of warrants, and will almost certainly not be again this time. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as symbolic. The warrants will amount to nothing, and it's not as if nobody was looking to apprehend them before. -- Kicking222 (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ICC arrest warrant isn't really significant than actual arrest of current or former national leaders seen recently by domestic court a day after it, because even with ICC warrant, the people accused is still free. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 22:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Tebbit

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Article: Norman Tebbit (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British former Cabinet minister and Chairman of the Conservative Party  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm unconvinced that Tebbit would be recognisable to all but a very small subset of editors that are mostly probably (a) from the UK (b) aged over 50, and (c) were interested in politics 40-odd years ago. Black Kite (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well. Tebbit was a major figure in his day and we have a high quality picture. If you think that no-one remembers him now then why nominate his name for RD? RD is usually full of people that I've never heard of and I can't see the point of just listing names that most people don't recognise. See the NYT's article for an example of how to do this properly. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We are not doing picture RDs for national party leaders and we don't even do them generally (reaching obsoletion) as most see these [rightly] as blurb alts. I personally see RD as a major impetus to improve article quality rather than a mere death ticker. Gotitbro (talk) 06:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 7

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RD: Simon Groot

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Article: Simon Groot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seed World
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dutch agronomist. Winner of the World Food Prize. Death reported 7 July. Thriley (talk) 01:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bradman Weerakoon

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Article: Bradman Weerakoon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Dinamina
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan Civil Servant, the article is on the shorter side of things, however still decent I’d say. Titanciwiki (talk) 10:48, 08 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Roman Starovoyt

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Article: Roman Starovoyt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, Financial Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian Minister of Transport, found dead from self-inflicted gunshot hours after being fired by President Vladimir Putin. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 18:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 6

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  • The death toll from the collapse of a multistory building on Friday in Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan, rises to 27 as rescuers pull 11 more bodies from the rubble as the three-day rescue operation ends. 10 others were injured in the collapse, of which one died in hospital from their injuries. (CTV News)
  • A truck and a commercial vehicle carrying passengers collide along the Zaria-Kano expressway in Kano State, Nigeria, killing 21 and injuring three. (AP)
  • Five Turkish soldiers are killed by methane gas exposure in a cave in northern Iraq during an operation to search for a fellow soldier's remains. (AP)

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RD: Helena Tattermuschová

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Article: Helena Tattermuschová (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Theatre (Prague)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Czech soprano at the National Theatre in Prague for 35 years, especially good in Mozart roles and Czech roles, sung internationally. Much of the article was there, but a bit repetitive and with few references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 5

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July 5, 2025 (2025-07-05) (Saturday)

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RD: Mark Snow

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Article: Mark Snow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American soundtrack composer, creator of the X-Files theme. Florian Blaschke (talk) 08:46, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready Currently orange tagged. 83.187.162.155 (talk) 10:12, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Din Mohammad

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Article: Din Mohammad (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani wrestler and first gold medallist Ainty Painty (talk) 04:18, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) July 2025 Central Texas floods

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Article: July 2025 Central Texas floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods across Central Texas, United States, leave at least 51 people dead and 27 missing. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unusual catastrophic event in US. ArionStar (talk) 01:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Departure–: Fixed; death toll is currently 30 (with 37 more missing). Do you have any quality-related concerns on the article itself? That's what the "at least" is for in the blurb anyways... EF5 20:32, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to support - quality is fine, and the death toll per the article is 43 (should be specified in the blurb, though). That's very significant for this part of the world, and it's fair to say its effects are enough for international concern. Departure– (talk) 23:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but oppose image. Article needs improvement for sure, but this is a very big flood event with 100-year flooding events occurring across central and west Texas. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 06:55, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • For full clarity, I have no problem with quality now and thus support the posting, but I still wouldn't support changing the image to be for this hook as I have yet to see any good visual that is appropriate. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 09:56, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait There is no need to rush to post and I think we can wait to post/nominate again until it starts to subside and we have a more final impact of the flooding. 83.187.162.155 (talk) 10:10, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support These floods seem significant enough to post, and the article is of sufficient quality. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Unfortunately I don't think a flood like this is significant enough to post due to the death toll. From what I've seen in ITN, floods usually need to have around 100 or more deaths to be posted and unless the death toll rises quite a bit this flood should be no different. Quality is good and if this does get posted we need a better image. harrz talk 20:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Harrz: 100 deaths? Who the heck said that? I've seen weather events with 25 deaths get posted; this is by far the deadliest flood ever in this region. EF5 20:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No one said that, that's just what I've seen. The 2025 Mokwa flood got posted, as did the 2024 Spanish floods, both with over 200 deaths. The July–August 2022 United States floods also got posted with 44 deaths, however the 2025 Bolivia floods (50+ deaths), floods from the February 2025 North American storm complex (18 deaths) and 2024 Yemen floods (61+ deaths) were nominated but not posted. Like I said, if the death toll rises I would support it, but at the moment 27 just isn't significant enough. harrz talk 20:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There’s now 43 confirmed fatalities, one less than the August 2022 floods. Is that enough? Note WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, which is what your argument seems to be based on. EF5 23:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to support - article is of good quality and seems to meet WP:ITNSIGNIF now. Definitely don't think this image should be used though. harrz talk 01:21, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also @Harrz: as an update - the death toll has now breached the 100+ mark. EF5 21:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The death toll is up to 47 and is deadlier than the 2022 Kentucky floods, and also the article isn't a stub anymore. Hoguert (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support due to the huge impact of these floods and the wide coverage in reliable sources. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: Unless a random tornado outbreak happened under my nose this is now the deadliest meteorological event in the U.S. in 2925, surpassing the March 13-16 tornado outbreak. EF5 23:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    900 years early, pal. I wonder what kind of outbreaks we'll get in 2925, given nearly a millenium of peak climate change and/or ensuing mitigation. Departure– (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I hate mobile editing. Really though, this is the deadliest US meteorological event in 2025, surpassing the death toll of both the May 16 and March 14-15 tornado outbreaks, both of which I’m sure you’re familiar with. EF5 14:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If we were to post the top meteorological event for each country - especially in this time of increased extreme events - we'd have always one or two on the ticker. While a 100-year event at any location is rare; there's always 100-year events in a year in some part of North America - especially with the tendency to very localized very extreme events in this temperate region.
    That said - this should have been posted. But the other two events? This is why we should be more discerning about bias towards posting news from privileged nations - even those as still as privileged as the USA. Nfitz (talk) 22:54, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    And both events were deemed significant enough to post. EF5 23:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    They should not have been. While it's an undisputed tragedy for those involved, events of that scale are tragically commonplace world wide and unlike the Texas floods they don't seem remarkable. The two tornadoes were not at the top of ITN at the time of posting which might have meant they went under the radar a bit.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:22, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Regardless, I was using them as an example or what we have posted in relation to this, which is as of right now over twice as deadly. Now if we’d stop arguing about events over two months old and focus on what is currently one of the deadliest USWx events of the 2020s… EF5 23:24, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Many events similar to the other US storms get a lot less news coverage in their own countries press. When I lived in South East Asia, during the rainy season the regular occurrence of one or two kids being washed away in the gutter at the side of the street didn't even get local coverage, especially if they were kids from a kampung. That's not the case in privileged nations. Though I expect that will change in the USA with their decisions to significantly cut funding for FEMA and NOAA, and all sorts of things that help to ameliorate such tragedy. Nfitz (talk) 06:20, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 03:38, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    A new image was uploaded. ArionStar (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Pinging @Stephen:. EF5 21:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done by Stephen, 23:35, 7 July 2025 Natg 19 (talk) 00:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 4

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(Reviewers needed) RD: Richard Greenberg

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Article: Richard Greenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American playwright and 2003 Tony winner. His death announced on this date. 240F:7A:6253:1:3DAE:9F64:8CA:44FD (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Russell-Clarke

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Article: Peter Russell-Clarke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-06/peter-russell-clarke-dies-aged-89/105500112
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Generally considered Australia's first celebrity chef HiLo48 (talk) 05:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Joseph2302 - That tag has only just been added, without any explanation. The content looks adequate to me. HiLo48 (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed that tag, and submit that this is now READY, as it always has been.HiLo48 (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Reviewers needed) RD: Lyndon Byers

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Article: Lyndon Byers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian ice hockey player and radio host. 240F:7A:6253:1:DD74:7980:EFE0:38A6 (talk) 05:23, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobby Jenks

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Article: Bobby Jenks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Oasis Live '25 Tour

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Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 00:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Oasis Live '25 Tour (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 41-date global tour marking the reunion of English rock band Oasis begins at the Principality Stadium in Cardiff, Wales. (Post)
News source(s): The NME
Credits:
Nominator's comments: According to the BBC: "The Oasis Live '25 tour was the biggest concert launch ever seen in the UK and Ireland. [2] And now, for at least one date it seems, the reunion of this notoriously volatile group is very much on. Morgajon (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is just average music tours, its not even on ITNR and I dont event think this is notable for ITN. Shaneapickle (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does "biggest concert launch ever seen in the UK and Ireland" even remotely fit the description "average music tour"? And why would a one off event be considered a "recurring event"? That makes no sense. Morgajon (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, we dont post anything like this and havent for years, and what i mean by average, is that bands go on tour EVERY YEAR. so thats what average means in this scenario. Shaneapickle (talk) 21:13, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you've understood the significance of *this* tour then. What makes it different from the everyday. If your point is that no tours should be posted ever, just say that. It's not a very good argument, but it would at least be clear what you were trying to say. Morgajon (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a Conflict of interest? about this because it seems you do. Shaneapickle (talk) 21:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no connection to the band or this tour whatsoever. And I don't appreciate being accused of such a thing on such a thin pretext. It's well known that Wikipedia does not tolerate such things. Morgajon (talk) 22:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well just editing 2 pages, for the same thing is whats known as a COI. Shaneapickle (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not. Morgajon (talk) 22:43, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I suppose there aren't many tours whose opening night gets liveblogged by multiple broadcasters including the BBC [3], but I don't think it really rises to the level we need for ITN. Black Kite (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the level then? Or are you saying a concert tour can never be significant enough for Wikipedia's current events listing? Morgajon (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Morgajon It seems since you are a new user here (somehow you managed to atleast figure out the ITN) Current events does not post tours, they post political, health, and other current events. Shaneapickle (talk) 21:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Current events does not post tours". If you're referring to a rule, I can't find it. If you're making an argument from precedent, that makes no sense, given the lack of any similar tours since Wikipedia has been online. Morgajon (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't a rule as such but entertainment news (beyond ITNR awards etc.) is generally avoided at ITN unless the event is highly significant. I don't think Oasis going on renewal tour counts towards that (The Eras Tour, much bigger commercially, wasn't featured either). Gotitbro (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously I came here to make the case this tour is highly significant. It's worth noting that it has already been the cause of controversy over demand pricing, seized on gleefully by politicians. Morgajon (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the amount of opposes, on your entry. Thats what I call ✨✨Consensus✨✨/ Shaneapickle (talk) 22:34, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Would have to wonder then if then Live Aid would have made it onto ITN if the Wiki had existed in 1985. I would think it would barely get on, but the argument would be less about the shows most likely, but more about the "expected viewing public" and maybe the feat that is was with the satellites of the time. TheCorriynial (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing nothing here that even gurantees Live Aid would be given a fair hearing, if it happened today. Even though in hindsight (and it would have been abundantly obvious at the time), that was a highly significant event just in terms of significance as a concert. Namely the sheer number of bands and the massive interest solely in the musical aspects of the "event" (set list, air time, direction). I suspect music is just off the table here as a rule. They'd probably view even something like the Knebworth Oasis concerts as run of the mill, happily ignoring clear proof of significance - When Oasis played there in 1996, more than 2% of the UK population applied for tickets, which sold out in under 24 hours. For this tour, that figure rose to 5% and sold out in minutes. I don't think anyone here has the first clue why reputable news sources like the BBC would focus on such things. Morgajon (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Moderately big music news, but it's not all that huge a deal. We didn't post the Eras Tour; I don't foresee us posting this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:48, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Other than sales, how is Eras even remotely comparable in terms of musical/cultural significance? That's a solo artist from the 2000s performing with relative continuity. This a 90s band coming back from an acrimonious split to perform again after 16 years. Taylor Swift has a long way to go before she has audiences evenly split between a generation of fans who saw her perform live at her peak, and the kids who came to her through their parent's musical tastes. Or in a sign of Oasis' significance, through a general awareness of the cultural fabric of the nation. Of which "Britpop" is a huge part (hence the unprecedented demand now). Morgajon (talk) 22:09, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Strong oppose - A series of concerts? Really? Falls far short of WP:ITNSIGNIF. — EF5 22:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Based on what? If you're referring to "The consensus among those discussing the event is all that is necessary to decide if an event is significant enough for posting." then quite obviously there is agreement. But if you were referring to the rest, I don't know how anyone else isn't seeing significance. This reunion tour has been reported on by the highest possible news sources, in great detail, across hundreds of individual pieces, right across the globe. I personally think all that's happened here is that for whatever reason, people think "current events" shouldn't include anything related to concert tours, and that's that. So they're not going to listen to any attempt to show them this tour has reached breakout to become a legitimate national news story and all round cultural moment, much less why. The fact people seem to think it is comparable to Eras shows how little they've actually thought about it. Morgajon (talk) 23:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose ITN doesn't cover tours in the same way others might. This appears promotional and big-in-context more than it does big on a worldwide scale. I've never even heard of Oasis up until this point, and arguments about their comeback being a "big deal" seem to be mostly within the scope of their genre and the UK and not suitable for a worldwide news story. Departure– (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One more note; it appears that Morgajon's only edits have been to this ITNC entry and to the Oasis tour page itself, and they've received a notice for a potential conflict of interest which honestly wouldn't surprise me. The level of constant replies on their points is also bordering on WP:BLUDGEON territory. Departure– (talk) 22:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The guidance makes it pretty clear that you cannot oppose something for only having ties to one country. Not that it is remotely true that Oasis aren't globally recognised. This is most definitely a big deal in the UK, far beyond mere music news. It's culturally significant, certainly the equal of Eras to the US, if not more so given the generation/reunion aspect. I have no conflicts of interest, and it is only logical that I should be the one to defend my own nomination. I certainly find it bizarre someone who had never heard of Oasis before, would want to comment on what is and is not a big deal in music. Morgajon (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT I am taking this to WP:ANI as @Morgajon wants us (actual reviewers of these candidates) to make an exception when the consensus is opposing the addition of this to the main page. I am also proposing a sockpuppet investigation because, this guy probably used Wikipedia before, got banned and decided to sockpuppet, because how can a new user, already know anything and everything about the works of Wikipedia. Shaneapickle (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see no need for this. Sure, Morgajon is arguing strongly for this to be posted, but there is nothing that needs a warning or block by an administrator. Natg 19 (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stop talking absolute rubbish. I am not asking for an exception, I am asking for a precedent to be set, for the exact reasons this process allows - significance. I appear to know more than you about Wikipedia for the simple reason that I actually read the guidance I am shown. It's ludicrous that you think a "conflict of interest" arises from just editing 2 pages about the same thing. It certainly isn't my fault that for some resson everyone here seems to have agreed amongst themselves that concerts will apparently never rise above the level of significance required. That's the sort of thing you would expect to be covered in the guidance. It is not. Without such guidance, it's perfectly reasonable to view this tour as a current event that's in the news, the general news, and bring it here, because in the real world that's exactly what it is. Morgajon (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Natg 19 and @Morgajon I brought this to ANI so an admin can resolve this situation, I am not advocating for a warning or a ban, because this situation is really being heated up and is turning into a snowball of different opinions, like a pee stain on a snowball. Shaneapickle (talk) 23:45, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Significance is one of the criteria for posting at ITN, however, there are no guidelines as to what "significance" means, thus we are left to "precedent" or people's opinions. Natg 19 (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That non-guideline suggests "proof that an event is being covered, in an in-depth manner, by news sources is required", which has been provided. Precedent and subjective dislikes are specifically not considered when determining consensus per WP:CCC and WP:DISCARD. The use of "we didn't post this other thing" as a rationale at ITN is part of an ongoing competence issue that develops by editors here not being terribly experienced in other parts of the project. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 23:36, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "imaginary" significance criteria, it is part of the criteria that we used to judge based on consensus for posting ITN items. We also generally try to avoid business (which includes the music business) news because of the promotional aspects that typically come with that, barring the most significant mergers or acquisitions. Masem (t) 23:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as The Eras Tour was not posted too. ArionStar (talk) 23:33, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This remark about generally avoiding show business only goes to show there is something off about this whole process. You're basically ignoring an entire sector of culture because by definition, it relies on having an audience. But for some reason you're expecting newcomers to just know in advance that's how this place works. That it will basically automatically reject certian types of events, no matter how "significant" they are according to the definition in ITNSIGNIF (basically, news coverage). That's something I would expect to find in the guidance. Instead I got absolutely ludicrous accusations that I actually came here to promote the band or the tour. How? Tell me how a mention on Wikipedia's Main Page would make the tiniest difference to the absolute fortune Oasis has already made, due to the obvious significance of this tour to UK culture as a whole. As is obvious from the news coverage. But because that culture relies on paying punters, Wikipedia refuses to let readers find out interesting things like "Few bands’ reputations have been better served by the rise of streaming, both in its favouring of curated playlists over albums – all the highlights and none of the rubbish, of which there was a great deal in Oasis’s later years – and in the way it decontextualises music, denuding it of its accompanying story or contemporary critical responses." because someone somewhere is making money. Ridiculous. Morgajon (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this isn't about culture, its about the recycling and exploiting of culture. Ceoil (talk) 00:03, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (with the disclaimer that brought Be Here Now to FA: it is a big deal within the industry (hype + exploitative ticket prices = money) and for fans (nostalgia), but hardly main page worthy as its really just the British Isles. IOWS, opposing as the coverage is, with no new songs, slow day media driven hype. A comparison would be to the c 2007 Pixies reunion, which was notable as the stry there was they had almost gone mainstream in between. Here, nothing has changed. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Lolit Solis

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Article: Lolit Solis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Philippine Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino talk show host, showbiz columnist and talent manager. 240F:7A:6253:1:547C:7432:E984:43D0 (talk) 09:26, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet ready Most of the article is well-sourced, but the filmography and radio works section needs more sources. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Free America Weekend

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Ineligible now that it is at AfD, but unlikely to get posted anyways. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Free America Weekend (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Protests in the United States organized by various Anti-Trump groups
  • Oppose Per NTRUMP and the rejected No Kings blurb. NotKringe (talk) 12:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Close the article quality is far below the minimal level of acceptability, and is basically an ad for this protest which has been in the news far less than the "No Kings" protests, which weren't even posted. 72.203.224.67 (talk) 14:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I just nominated article for deletion, now ilegible for ITN. Shaneapickle (talk) 14:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and Speedy close. I'm having a hard time seeing why User:VitoxxMass posted this very local item. And why these silly nominations about things that don't even make the news in neighbouring countries keep pertaining to the same nation. No prejudice in relisting if the protestors start killing people, occupying the White House, or the government starts shooting them. And then with only a single source, called NewsNation that I haven't heard of, but is listed in WP:RSP as There is a consensus that NewsNation is generally reliable for matters not related to UFOs or UAPs. going on to discuss NewsNation's involvement in UFO conspiracies. WTAF? Nfitz (talk) 15:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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July 3

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July 3, 2025 (2025-07-03) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Discovery of Peñico

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Article: Peñico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Archaeologists announce the discovery of Peñico, a 3,500 year old ancient Caral city. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

 Chorchapu (talk | edits) 03:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Enriqueta Duarte

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Article: Enriqueta Duarte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Correo del Caroni
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Rufai

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Article: Peter Rufai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): EastLeighVoice
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He was Super Eagles Legend who won 1994 African Cup of Nations QalasQalas (talk) 12:27, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Mabuza

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Article: David Mabuza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, SABC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former deputy president of South Africa. 240F:7A:6253:1:547C:7432:E984:43D0 (talk) 08:14, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Billy Hunter

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Article: Billy Hunter (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bill Hunter, last surviving member of inaugural Orioles team, dies at 97
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Two MLB Franchises are marking a long time player's death today. Along side later being a Head coach, He was the last living member of the St. Louis Browns (which no longer exist, now the Orioles), and as the source above states, when they moved, also the last of the inaugural Orioles team lineup in 1954. Article is close, but could use a look over. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 3I/ATLAS

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Article: 3I/ATLAS (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astronomers announce the discovery of 3I/ATLAS, an interstellar object passing through the solar system. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Guardian,
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Nominator's comments: Third-ever confirmed interstellar object (indicated by the "3I") and almost 6 years since the last one. (2I/Borisov) Not confirmed as a comment, but many sources do report this. Also of encyclopediac interest is the extremely high velocity (excess velocity of ~58 km/sec) which makes it more energetic than any other object ever measured in or near the solar system. Nottheking (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal of altblurb+support Altblurb should be shorter, like "NASA announces the discovery of a interstellar comet being the first interstellar comet discovered in 6 years" Shaneapickle (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 European heatwaves

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Article: 2025 European heatwaves (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Record-breaking heat waves across Europe leave more than 1,200 dead, cause widespread disruption and exacerbate the ongoing wildfire season. (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, The Guardian, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Significant event across a whole continent; countless records broken, including highest June temperature in Portugal and Spain; numerous wildfires and deaths; significant disruption in multiple countries. According to MoMo, there have been 553 heat-related deaths in Spain since the start of summer, whilst the LSHTM predicted there would be 570 in the UK between 19 and 22 June. harrz talk 19:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - People really will do whatever it takes to get a ITN nomination. This is completely normal for Europe. 135.180.128.228 (talk) 20:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say it's "completely normal" when records have been broken in at least ten countries... harrz talk 20:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
People love to underestimate the impacts of weather at ITNC. Support as record-breaking and extremely deadly. EF5 20:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The IP is blocked and geolocates outside Europe. What a surprise... Daß Wölf 01:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was thinking the same. Seems like this story is already slightly stale. The lede of the article says the most severe heatwave so far came in mid-June. Natg 19 (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have amended the lead to be more accurate; I wrote that before the current spate of extreme temperatures began. harrz talk 21:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually many of them are ongoing, with more extreme temperatures forecasted for weeks to come. Also, it does meet WP:ITNSIGNIF, as countless sources from across the world have been tirelessly reporting on it. Just because the heatwaves have ended in English-speaking areas doesn't mean they have ended everywhere. Greece is currently battling wildfires with over 1,500 evacuated and 20 cities in Italy are on red alert for heat. Please do not say they are "finished" until you have done some research. Also, every item in ITN is over a week old now, so something a bit more recent is definitely due. harrz talk 20:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is extremely hard to justify the annual occurrences of heat waves or wildfires, without something that makes that specific event far more significant than those of previous years. Just because there's a large amount of mainstream news covering it does not make for a good encyclopedic content. Masem (t) 22:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I said "most" countries it has finished. Of the 21 countries listed on that article, only a few are still affected- and the amount of content on those listed in that article is no more than a couple of sentences anyway. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As for staleness, it would be very nice if this was the last hot week of the summer, but judging from the past articles and current mid-term forecasts, that's not about to happen. I don't see a problem whether it gets posted now or 15 days from today, considering it will still be an ongoing deadly event with recurring hot days. Daß Wölf 01:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Article looks good and detailed, and this is certainly significant. I don't mind a yearly-recurring disaster being in ITN. Lots of yearly-recurring items are. You can't tell the thousands dead that the subject is insignificant, and I don't think it's really stale either. The season is still ongoing, for one, but also the heatwave was perhaps the most significant this very week. I'm seeing a lot of 20–30 June. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thousands die every year from seasonal flooding in SE Asia, we don't post those, because it happens every year. And particularly, given this is over a long stretch of time, and not from one single event, its hard to consider it as a significant topic. Masem (t) 13:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, in my opinion, we probably should... I'll never understand why mundane things like sports events are seen as more important than the deaths of thousands; we often post tornado outbreaks which kill around 20 in the US, even though they are annual occurrences. These heatwaves will likely continue until at least August, so if it is the prolongued nature of them which makes you weary to post it then might I propose adding it to the Ongoing section? It does seem to fit the criteria after all. harrz talk 16:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The key I think is understanding that a singular event can carry more significance than a long drawn out sequence of events. the idea of "frog in a boiling pot" comes to mind, that one major single event is going to get far more widespread cover than a series of connected events which are not much different from the usual. Masem (t) 20:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: That sounds like a bias we should fight, not encourage by posting comparatively small events such as Tropical Storm Barry (2025) or July 2025 Central Texas floods at the time when there were only several dozen casualties. One could argue that deadly flooding in Texas is also "not much different than usual" these days. Hence, I'm interested in what made you encourage that item over this one? Daß Wölf 15:36, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I only suggested using Barry to highlight that the storm had multiple disasters, not just the flooding. As for these heatwaves there's nothing here that attributes any if the short term heat events to causing a larger number of deaths across a few days, the only death counter is summarizing all estimated deaths from the heat over a couple months. So unless there was a specific event that could be focused on, we're still talking about a drawn out event rather than something with immediately clear impact. Masem (t) 16:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    And on writing this, I realize that we have a major quality issue on the article, because it is focused on trying to discuss maximum temperatures seen in each country and what alerts were sent out, but actually doesn't spend time to duscuss the death toll. There are a few isolated mentions if deaths, but nowhere outside the infobox explaining the death toll. That's a major miss, in addition to the over documentation of temperatures and alerting. Masem (t) 16:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    A few days ago I posted a study suggesting a pace of about a thousand deaths a day for the beginning of this month. There are many precedents for such studies. Deaths in heatwaves are harder to count than in e.g. tornadoes, but climatology and meteorology regularly deal with such data aggregation.
    I also noted in my !vote above that even though this in general is a long event, the fairly uneventful weeks will still be severe in comparison, particularly in relation to other severe weather events typically considered for posting, and even some of the ongoing wars. I really think an event in this severity needs to be featured on ITN, and if immediacy is this important to the blurb section, I wouldn't oppose placement in the ongoing section. Daß Wölf 16:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That paper is talking potential deaths, presuming no action was taken. No actual deaths. Masem (t) 16:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I see no mention of a potential nor what immediate action against heatwaves exists today that would've prevented the 60,000 deaths in 2022. Daß Wölf 16:54, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant event. ArionStar (talk) 16:13, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above due to its negative effects. I also remember heatwaves from the last few years being posted, although I'm not sure about that. --SpectralIon 18:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Masem's point about the double standard. As an additional example, when gay marriage was increasingly being legalized by country after country, we posted it the first few times, but then ITN had to draw the line when it became apparent that legalizations were now the norm in certain regions as opposed to an aberration. This same principle applies, unfortunately, to climate-related articles: if we do not draw the line somewhere, we will blurb wildfires every single year going forward. This is the new normal, and that is not WP:CRYSTAL: the science on climate change tells us every year will have record-breaking floods, storms, fires, and heat waves. So, to me, WP:ITNSIGNIF requires a higher standard of impact and enduring significance - "yet another record-breaking year" is not that without more evidence of mass evacuations or concentrated devastation (like with the LA Wildfires or a particular hurricane, e.g.). FlipandFlopped ㋡ 19:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    As far as I've noticed, we're mostly posting floods and storms typically with a smaller human impact than this heatwave (est. 3,000-4,000 deaths from 30 June to 3 July in particular). For comparison, see the 2022 European heatwaves, posted at ITN with an estimate of 3,600 deaths, later est. 60,000 season-wide. Daß Wölf 16:39, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the basis of quality. This is an almanach-like collection of random temperature readings since April. The infobox says the heatwave started on 28 May 2025 (did it? says who? in what countries?); the first entry Albania starts with a statement that Tirana expierenced 28°C in April and 37°C on 9 June... what? Was a heatwave ongoing in Tirana/Albania between April and June? Was Tirana affected by the actual heatwave at the end of June? What was the effect on Tirana/Albania during those heatwave days? Similar remarks could be made for most entries. Sorry, but this article has no coherence whatsoever. Khuft (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That is true for quite a few countries, and I am working on finding new information for them but it is quite difficult as I need to look for sources in other languages since English sources are mostly focused on France, Greece, Italy and Spain. The sections for those countries are much more developed and hopefully the rest will be similar soon. harrz talk 21:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Khuft, needs significant work to be presentable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 23:38, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    May I ask what the issue with the article is so I can improve it? Everything is sourced and without just removing the coverage of certain countries I don't see how the issue can be fixed. When covering an incident that has affected a whole continent, having sections for each country is the best way to do it without overloading readers with heaps of information about different places. harrz talk 00:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose as I feel the blurb is misleading. While I don't have any statistics on how many people die due to heat every summer every year, I feel the blurb reads like it's a major disaster like a draught leading to famine. I also disagree with the very vague "widespread disruption". 83.187.162.155 (talk) 00:21, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You will find statistics, droughts and sense of major disaster if you read the article and this discussion. For instance, there has been an ongoing drought in Europe for the last few months, and it isn't abated by extreme heat.
  • Pinging @Harrz: Here are a few more ideas to draw references about the droughts: [5][6][7][8][9][10]. If the ITN crowd decides this is stale, I would suggest renominating it when the next hot day is forecast or perhaps reframing it as the drought (consider the additional human impact in unrealized food exports outside Europe), and certainly reorganising the article by date or month rather than country. And thank you very much for the work you've put into it! Daß Wölf 15:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan

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Article: Recognition of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Russian Federation became the first country to recognize the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan under its Taliban government. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

 Noorullah (talk) 19:36, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Reviewers needed) RD: Kenneth Colley

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Article: Kenneth Colley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actor, noted for Star Wars Episodes 5 and 6 Ptelford (talk) 20:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Lipsey

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Article: David Lipsey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Labour peer, member of the House of Lords, former leader of the Fabian Society PtolemyXV (talk) 19:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Madsen

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Article: Michael Madsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC L.A. ,The Guardian
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor 90.211.54.213 (talk) 17:12, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Stop Killing Games campaign

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Consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:50, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Stop Killing Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Citizens Initiative of the Stop Killing Games campaign reaches its objective of one million signatures, meaning it will be considered for debate in the European Commission. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The petition of the Stop Killing Games campaign for the UK Parliament reaches 100,000 signatures, meaning it will be considered for debate in Parliament.
News source(s): "Stop Killing Games". stopkillinggames.com. Retrieved 2025-07-03.Scott, Ross [@accursedfarms] (2025-07-02). "The UK petition has reached 100k signatures! This means it will be brought before Parliament and we can ignore the old garbage answer that didn't address the problem. Will have a video on it later. Keep signing for safety margins!" (Tweet). Archived from the original on 2025-07-02 – via Twitter.
Credits:

Article updated
 Campaign for the preservation of videogames that has started several government petitions, being covered by various media personalities and news outlets. NeoGaze (talk) 16:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: André Filipe da Silva

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Article: André Filipe da Silva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brother of Diogo Jota, had a football career of his own, article newly created and sufficient. Kingsif (talk) 09:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose article is a stub and questionable whether he's notable anyway, as notability claim seems to be WP:INHERITED. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:53, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    U23s of a major team and regular in the Portuguese second division covers notability easily. Kingsif (talk) 11:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Sources are what's needed to pass WP:GNG- and sources about him rather than just being the brother of Jota (which is how mst obitiaries are doing). I will look for sources later today and if I don't believe GNG is met, I will start an AFD. Either aay, nowhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You’re experienced enough to know that (otherwise suitable) sources which contain significant info on how someone is notable in their own right are always acceptable, even if they all mention the person’s more-famous relative. Notability being inherited is if someone has no claim in their own right and a bio would be all personal information found in sources by association. That clearly isn’t the case - the sources with info on André’s career support his own notability, regardless of mentioning Jota. Kingsif (talk) 13:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is really a debate for the article talkpage or an AFD, but if these sources exist, then add them so it can meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Like I said, I haven't thoroughly checked for sources yet, but the sources on the article currently don't meet WP:SIGCOV about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is moot thanks to expansion, but worth saying to underline ITN’s attitude to new short bios: I know you know that SIGCOV includes sources focused on others if there’s enough info and, at the time you wrote this comment, there was a “who was André Silva” source all about him already used. It was fine, is now better, and notability shouldn’t be brought up for RD unless it is at AfD. Kingsif (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If you're referring to this source that was there at time I questioned notability, it's borderline but I don't see it as SIGCOV (as it's mostly basic career facts, a section about his name and confusion with someone else and the accident- which seems somewhat routine to me). Joseph2302 (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Regardless of the notability argument, the article is well below the minimum size of 1500 bytes of readable prose. We don't post stubs at RD. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Barring any sourcing prior to his death to show significant coverage (Simply playing for a major team no longer is considered sufficient under NSPORT), this is a clear WP:BLP1E failure, particularly as the deaths were from an accident, and unlikely to warrant anything like a "Death of..." article that we'd have for major leaders or extremely visible celebrities. Masem (t) 14:21, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't doubt notability, as someone who has made pages for players and managers in the Portuguese second division. Notability is a red herring anyway, a topic for WP:AFD. However the page is a stub and should exceed 1,500 characters - preferably more on career. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Based on Unknown Temptation’s expansion, it now meets quality requirements. Kingsif (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article seems better now, but also a comment: This is a very unusal situation. The circumstances of this article's creation imply that we really only found him relevant because he died in an accident with his brother (who happens to be the famous Diogo Jota.) A close reading of WP:ITNRDBLURB would suggest that his death is therefore the main story and would maybe merit blurbing. Would like to hear other editors' thoughts on this because I'm not sure personally. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I see it as a typical case of users who otherwise prioritise article creation elsewhere (than Portuguese second division footballers) finding motivation from a tragic death to briefly move it up the list. “Deaditing” is a thing for a reason, though ITN has a weird relationship with the concept. Kingsif (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm still opposing this posting on quality grounds. Whilst it is 2100 characters- and so more than a stub- the article says very little about his playing career, other than just listing the teams he played for. As such, the article feels incomplete, and does not yet meet WP:ITNQUALITY in my view. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The section had, at the time of your comment, content about how regularly he was playing for the clubs, and how Penafiel led the league before falling off in his last season. It's certainly not just a list of clubs. I don't think it needs a diary of every game and goal. I admit the coverage of his youth clubs is a bit listy (with a splash of who his teammates were), but the Jota page just had a mention of his youth clubs (albeit only two) before I expanded that, with the page already posted. When it comes to youth clubs, we often have nothing to go on but a list, because the players were not of public interest then. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Although I agree that the page is on the shorter side, it is no longer a stub and as of this revision, standing at 2776 B and 465 words, the article is of sufficient quality for it to be posted Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 02:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Cited. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:01, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the old Football notability requirements, a player simply needed to play one match in a fully professional football league to merit a Wikipedia article. Liga Portugal 2 is fully professional. Andre Filipe da Silva played 59 matches in Liga Portugal 2. While those old Football notability requirements are no longer applicable, I find the argument that he did not deserve a Wikipedia article unconvincing. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:43, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. Depth meets minimum standards although relatively short; fully referenced. SpencerT•C 05:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Diogo Jota

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Article: Diogo Jota (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Telegraaf, Sky News, The Beeb
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Liverpool forward/left winger. One CN, no orange/yellow banners   Jalapeño   (u t g) 08:51, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why this should not get a blurb. It is a major sporting headline especially when it comes to association football
Heatrave (talk) 10:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

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  1. ^ Trevelyan, Mark; Trevelyan, Mark (2025-07-03). "Russia becomes first country to recognise Taliban government of Afghanistan". Reuters. Retrieved 2025-07-03.
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